In a message on Saturday 09-16-16 Jimmy Anderson said to Mark Lewis:

mark lewis wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

you should ask them how they're gonna talk to anyone at a distance
after a natural disaster shuts down the cell networks... for that
matter, ask those with VoIP phones how they're gonna call their ISP to report problems or outtage when their network connection isn't working
;) ;) ;)

There's a guy semi-local that wants to get Winlink set up.
Just sending email would be a boon in a time like that! Then of

Do you expect Winlink to work when all the cellphone nets and ISP's go
down? I wouldn't.

course BBS's have small enough data footprints that you COULD work
them at 9600 baud if you needed to...

Yes, as long as you still have a POTS line and a modem in your computer.


CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

Holger

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Holger Granholm wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Do you expect Winlink to work when all the cellphone nets and ISP's go down? I wouldn't.

Peer-peer mode will work.


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Holger Granholm wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

There's a guy semi-local that wants to get Winlink set up.
Just sending email would be a boon in a time like that! Then of

Do you expect Winlink to work when all the cellphone nets and ISP's go down? I wouldn't.

Well, if the LOCAL cell net is down but HAM is up you could at least
use Winlink to get a message out from the local area to a place where
it was working. Or am I not understanding it correctly? I thought he
would link some Winlink repeaters so it's ALL HAM traffic.

course BBS's have small enough data footprints that you COULD work
them at 9600 baud if you needed to...

Yes, as long as you still have a POTS line and a modem in your
computer.

I meant the Winlink operates at 9600.


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to HOLGER GRANHOLM <=-

Well, if the LOCAL cell net is down but HAM is up you could at least
use Winlink to get a message out from the local area to a place where
it was working. Or am I not understanding it correctly? I thought he
would link some Winlink repeaters so it's ALL HAM traffic.

Peer-peer will work, and there is also a RF forwarding option for when the Internet fails at the RMS.

I meant the Winlink operates at 9600.

Out here, HF is the only option. No Winlink within VHF range, though I am likely to set something up myself.


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In a message on Monday 09-18-16 Jimmy Anderson said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Jimmy,

Do you expect Winlink to work when all the cellphone nets and ISP's
go down? I wouldn't.

Well, if the LOCAL cell net is down but HAM is up you could at least
use Winlink to get a message out from the local area to a place
where it was working. Or am I not understanding it correctly? I
thought he would link some Winlink repeaters so it's ALL HAM
traffic.

If the cell net goes down, so does the ISP's. In a disaster, usually all providers, be they cell- or inter-net, go down.

A ham repeater may work some time, if it has a battery back-up, but once
that is depleted, it will also go down.

Still, without an Internet Service Provider (ISP), to connect to, even
Winlink is dead.

course BBS's have small enough data footprints that you COULD work
them at 9600 baud if you needed to...

Yes, as long as you still have a POTS line and a modem in your
computer.

I meant the Winlink operates at 9600.

Against what, when the providers are down ??


Have a nice day,

Holger

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In a message on Monday 09-18-16 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

GE Tony,

Do you expect Winlink to work when all the cellphone nets and ISP's go down? I wouldn't.

Peer-peer mode will work.

The only peer-to-peer networking I know, is within a wire or wireless
network, usually within a building.

Going outside of that, usually requires the step-in of an ISP.

One thing I forgot in my message to Jimmy, was that many areas are interconnected by wires/cables, supported by poles. They are very
susceptible to damage in an ice storm or a cyclone (typhoon).

Here, all power grid and phone lines (POTS), are underground, and the
phone companies have very capable battery support, and own generators,
should the power grid be interrupted for a long time.

Also, at least in the city and partly on the countryside, also the ISP glassfibre cables are underground..

Even the local power company does have several gas-turbine, and one big
diesel power plant to throw in, if the feeds from Sweden or Finland
should fail.


GN es 73 de Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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Holger Granholm wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

If the cell net goes down, so does the ISP's. In a disaster, usually
all providers, be they cell- or inter-net, go down.

Okay - let me back up a step...

We live near a major fault line. I have people around me that don't use
HAM and have family far off. If a disaster hit and they needed to get communication to their family in Chicago, they wouldn't be able to.

I, as a HAM, could theoretically get a message out, but it would be
verbal and passed through others. With Winlink linked via radio,
an email could leave my laptop, go through the HAM, through the radio
network to a place that DOES have Internet service, then be delivered
to their family in Chicago.

Again, in theory. :-)


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Yes you and I do know a bit about being bit by pulse!

If the cell net goes down, so does the ISP's. In a disaster, usually all providers, be they cell- or inter-net, go down.

A ham repeater may work some time, if it has a battery back-up, but once that is depleted, it will also go down.

Still, without an Internet Service Provider (ISP), to connect to, even Winlink is dead.

course BBS's have small enough data footprints that you COULD work
them at 9600 baud if you needed to...

Yes, as long as you still have a POTS line and a modem in your
computer.

I meant the Winlink operates at 9600.

Against what, when the providers are down ??

Have a nice day,

Holger

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Yes 'they' are talking about EMP pulse and humans whoping humans with nasty radiation dis and dat.. But in what we both know isn't 'human' sourced from the solar flares, they can be FAR WORSE for us all. I think we both know about
the Carrington Event back when there was only telegraph lines for data dis and dat. Monster solar flare event that burned up all the telegraph railroad lines
and so on and killed a pile full of poor humans that were sending Morse Code at
the time!

Well folks here do need to do the research if they have not already. These massive solar flares do occur over and over again every say a bit less than 200
years or so. Every day I look at the website www.spaceweather.com as it and some others as well monitor all this stuff all the time. As best I also understand, likely some time between now and the end of this year or next year our whole galaxy and is going through a complete reversal of the magnetic polarity of the whole universe. The jigger is already very evident if you are watching things. In the last nearly three years the magnetic polarity of our Earth has already moved over 120 miles! The current North Pole is just at the north tip of Russia. The current South Pole is at the tip of Brazil. Do the research. The internal magna of our Earth is now jiggling at time over 400 miles a night back and forth! AHA! Now you know why all the earthquakes are roaring off in the Ring Of Fire and all the volcano eruptions and so on are ramping up everywhere. Plus the ocean monster wave eruptions and so on.

Look up the effects of the old volcano Krakatoa back in the late 1800's on Google. When it blew up it tossed ashes and so on that were all over the Earth's atmosphere for more than a year! Cough, cough humanity... But did you
know that the Yellowstone volcano is about ten times the size of that mess of Krakatoa? Plus that the earthquakes under it have already split the earth so that it can easily erupt in any jiggle?

OK hams. If all the whole wired and IT operations plus the cloud vanish in a few seconds or so for us all, who do we have to even help us save all of what we can for us all? Well if protected from the EMP surge by a simple shielding of our ham shack stuff and even battery powered, us ham radio folks might be the best way, with underground wire power lines and phone lines plus fiber optic cable, to save all humanity.

No, I don't know exactly the time for what has been carefully predicted for a long time. But even after I put together the original EOC for all of the Texas
A&M College area back decades ago so that we could even work with Morse Code to
Australia if we were whopped with an ABomb from Russia, and ahve the thank you letter from the ARRL, this is why it is so important for all you folks here to look upward and pray. I even proved that one watt of RF Morse Code could work Perth Australia from W5WQN at the right time on 40CW one day from my little boy
ham shack here where this message is still being typed.

Mike Luther as W5WQN as NC117 at 1:117/100


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

Peer-peer mode will work.

The only peer-to-peer networking I know, is within a wire or wireless network, usually within a building.

I was talking about peer - peer mode in Winlink software such as RMS Express. That works as far as you can get on HF. :)


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to HOLGER GRANHOLM <=-

I, as a HAM, could theoretically get a message out, but it would be
verbal and passed through others. With Winlink linked via radio,
an email could leave my laptop, go through the HAM, through the radio network to a place that DOES have Internet service, then be delivered
to their family in Chicago.

Again, in theory. :-)

Winlink has features that a lot of hams don't seem to know about.

1. Peer-peer mode - this allows the passing of messages directly between stations with no Internet use at all. Most useful for a wide area EMCOMM net or point to point link between two stations handling traffic for a large scale emergency.

2. RF forwarding. There is a newer mode in RMS Express where if the RMS mailbox (the place you normally exchange Winlink mail with) loses Internet connectivity, you can instruct it to forward email via RF to a more distant RMS which does have Internet.


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Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

2. RF forwarding. There is a newer mode in RMS Express where if the
RMS mailbox (the place you normally exchange Winlink mail with) loses Internet connectivity, you can instruct it to forward email via RF to a more distant RMS which does have Internet.

Right - this - this is what I was talking about. :-)


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JIMMY ANDERSON wrote to TONY LANGDON <=-

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Tony Langdon wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

2. RF forwarding. There is a newer mode in RMS Express where if the
RMS mailbox (the place you normally exchange Winlink mail with) loses Internet connectivity, you can instruct it to forward email via RF to a more distant RMS which does have Internet.

Right - this - this is what I was talking about. :-)

Yes, so Winlink has ways to work around Internet outages over very wide areas. :) Of course, you can simply try to link to a more distant Winlink gateway RMS directly. My longest successful link has been over 3000 km to Darwin.


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In a message on Wednesday 09-20-16 Jimmy Anderson said to Holger
Granholm:

Good morning Jimmy,

If the cell net goes down, so does the ISP's. In a disaster, usually
all providers, be they cell- or inter-net, go down.

Okay - let me back up a step...

OK first, please tell me what you put into the expression "HAM" that you
use so frequently.

To us radio amateurs, that 'shorthand' just means 'a radio amateur',
not any network or relay or something else.

We live near a major fault line. I have people around me that don't
use HAM and have family far off. If a disaster hit and they needed
to get communication to their family in Chicago, they wouldn't be
able to.

'Use HAM', what is that??

With Winlink linked via radio, an email could leave my laptop, go
through the HAM, through the radio network to a place that DOES have Internet service, then be delivered to their family in Chicago.

How could you send an e-mail if the cell- and internet providers are
down.

And again, what does 'through the HAM' mean?

Again, in theory. :-)

Yes theory is nice, but it doesn't always work.


Have a nice day,

Holger

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In a message on Wednesday 09-21-16 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

Peer-peer mode will work.

The only peer-to-peer networking I know, is within a wire or wireless network, usually within a building.

I was talking about peer - peer mode in Winlink software such as RMS Express. That works as far as you can get on HF. :)

OK, tnx fer the info.


CU L8ER, Sam, OH0NC

aka Holger

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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I was talking about peer - peer mode in Winlink software such as RMS Express. That works as far as you can get on HF. :)

OK, tnx fer the info.

No probs. Winlink has a few tricks to cope with varying levels of Internet outage. :)


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In a message on Thursday 09-20-16 Mike Luther said to Holger Granholm:

GM Mike,

I meant the Winlink operates at 9600.

Against what, when the providers are down ??

Yes 'they' are talking about EMP pulse and humans whoping humans
with nasty radiation dis and dat.. But in what we both know isn't
'human' sourced from the solar flares, they can be FAR WORSE for us

I was talking about ANY disasters, like ice storms, cyclones or anything
that takes down communications.

I think we both know about the Carrington Event back when
there was only telegraph lines for data dis and dat. Monster solar
flare event that burned up all the telegraph railroad lines and so
on and killed a pile full of poor humans that were sending Morse
Code at the time!

Yes, we do remember that, and it can still happen, even though many
safety measures have been implemented. In the case of an EMP pulse, most
of todays semiconductor appliances will go up in smoke.

Remember: Electronics work with smoke. If the smoke gets out, equipmment
will stop working.

What may be left, are the old appliances, as radio sets with tubes.

These massive solar flares do occur over and over again every say a
bit less than 200 years or so. Every day I look at the website www.spaceweather.com as it and some others as well monitor all this

So do I, and I have researced solar cycles from 1600 until today.
That includes the Maunder minimum 1645-1715, and the Dalton minimum
1790-1830, and compared the smoothed sunspot numbers (SSN) for the
period. That includes the Schwabe 11 years, Hale 22 years, and Gleissberg
44 years cycles, as well as the 200 year cycle.

They all point to a renewed new very deep minimum, as does this report published in the german ham radio magazine CQ DL 7/2016:
_____________________

Clip from the german Deutsche Amateurfunk Magazin, CQ DL 7/2016,
UKW-Rundschau, p. 52

"What are the expectations for the coming years? Does the Professor of
Physics Harald Lesch, known from german TV, prove to be right, there
will not in the next four to six decades be anymore sunspot maxima.
The 'Small ice age' of the 1800s, the Dalton Minimum, will be repeated.
It may have had other causes *), but the fact remains, that our grand-
or maybe grandgrand children will not be able to fully utilize the bands
above 14 MHz. That would above all be tragic for the 6m band."

Translation by Holger "Sam" Granholm, OH0NC

*) Added by the translator: The trend of the past sunspot cycles show
the same behaviour as the cycles preceeding the "Small ice age". _____________________

I'm old enough to probably not be around when that happens, but I have
warned all my relatives, and many others of the impending disaster.
Mostly I have been met with disbelief, and thoughts of a crazy oldie ;o)

stuff all the time. As best I also understand, likely some time
between now and the end of this year or next year our whole galaxy
and is going through a complete reversal of the magnetic polarity of

Right now the sun changes its polarity regularly, so a complete reversal
may happen any time.

................ In the last nearly three years the magnetic
polarity of our Earth has already moved over 120 miles! The current
North Pole is just at the north tip of Russia. The current South
Pole is at the tip of Brazil. Do the research.

This is a regular shift of the magnetic polarity that all navigators are
taught in all schools for seamen, airline and sea pilots and others that have/want to know how to navigate. I have passed such an examination.

of our Earth is now jiggling at time over 400 miles a night back and
forth! AHA! Now you know why all the earthquakes are roaring off
in the Ring Of Fire and all the volcano eruptions and so on are
ramping up everywhere. Plus the ocean monster wave eruptions and so
on.

Earthquakes and volcano eruptions are the result of the earth crust
moving at the cracks, that were created when the crust split into the
different continents, we have today.

Look up the effects of the old volcano Krakatoa back in the late
1800's on Google. When it blew up it tossed ashes and so on that
were all over the Earth's atmosphere for more than a year!

We have a much younger volcano eruption to recall, the one at Iceland.
It certainly didn't have the strength of Krakatoa, but it tossed up
enough ashes, to have the intercontinental airlines to find new routes.

OK hams. If all the whole wired and IT operations plus the cloud
vanish in a few seconds or so for us all, who do we have to even
help us save all of what we can for us all? Well if protected from
the EMP surge by a simple shielding of our ham shack stuff and even
battery powered, us ham radio folks might be the best way, with
underground wire power lines and phone lines plus fiber optic cable,
to save all humanity.

Well, I haven't shielded my ham shack, but all my equipment is battery
powered, both HF, VHF, UHF and SHF. I'm also trying to get back the
Drake TR-4 that I once owned. I still have the mobile power supply and
the RV-4 remote VFO.

The TR-7 that sits on my desk, probably won't stand an EMP attack, but
chances are that the TR-4 may survive.

The power and phone companies have done what they can, to protect us by
burying all lines, so we don't have that spider web seen in other places

No, I don't know exactly the time for what has been carefully
predicted for a long time.

We can just pray that it won't happen while we are alive.

TNX fer ur msg

73 es GL de Sam OH0NC SK

aka Holger

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Holger Granholm wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

OK first, please tell me what you put into the expression "HAM" that
you use so frequently.

Amatuer Radio - be it the user, the equipment, whatever.

We live near a major fault line. I have people around me that don't
use HAM and have family far off. If a disaster hit and they needed
to get communication to their family in Chicago, they wouldn't be
able to.

'Use HAM', what is that??

Use a amateur radio - that better?

With Winlink linked via radio, an email could leave my laptop, go
through the HAM, through the radio network to a place that DOES have Internet service, then be delivered to their family in Chicago.

How could you send an e-mail if the cell- and internet providers are
down.

I can create an email server on a laptop. The routing would not be
automatic, but it could be done.

And again, what does 'through the HAM' mean?

Via the radio waves that amatuer operators use.

Again, in theory. :-)

Yes theory is nice, but it doesn't always work.

Nope - but it NEVER works if you don't even attempt it.


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