If there is no room for freedom in Islam, as stated by Al Ghurabaa
in the UK below, perhaps it is time for free nations to bite the
bullet and conclude that that there is no room for Islam in free
nations, instead of peddling the "distorted claims" that Islam is
a noble religion of "freedom" and "tolerance", hijacked by a few
terrorists etc.

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There is no Room for Freedom in Islam

Despite the insistent pleas of some apologetic sections of the Muslim
community and their distorted claims that Islam "represents freedom"
and "tolerance". The fact of the matter is that there is no room for
freedom in Islam whatsoever, in fact Islam calls for the complete
opposite, and end of all freedoms and the enslaving of all people to
their lord.

We do not want the slavery to our desires, money, women, man-made
laws, Tony Blair etc like that offered by a free and democratic
society, rather the Muslims believe in Islam, which is the total
submission to Almighty Allah exclusively by worshipping Him (swt),
obeying and following his commands and declaring complete intolerance,
hatred, disassociation from Shirk (associating partners with Allah)
and all of its people (i.e. all Jews, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs,
atheists etc).

The west calls for freedom of belief, to believe as you wish and
worship as you wish and change your Deen as you wish. There is no
space for this fallacy in Islam; in the Shari'ah it is well known
that we have been ordered with "the one who changes his Deen, [to]
kill him." And although under an Islamic authority nobody will be
forced to embrace Islam, we do not accept for people to walk with
their idols and crosses in the streets publicly, nor to build any
new places of worship (though they may keep their existing ones).

Another favourite of the west is the personal freedom to dress
provocatively, to walk naked in the streets harming everybody in their
way, freedom to look at pornography "as long as it is not children",
freedom to drink themselves into a frenzy until they are drunk and
begin to steal, rape, kill and beat their wives and children. To the
point that "the Home Office has suggested that nearly a half of all
violent crimes are alcohol related and a staggering 19,000 sexual
assaults are also alcohol related."

This is the fruits of freedom! How people live with this corruption in
the name of freedom I will never understand! Allah (swt) ordered us to
stay far away from alcohol and all other intoxicants cutting off all
of these ills from the root. Islam ensures that nobody feels the urge
to exercise any "freedom" to walk naked or dress provocatively or even
to freemix let alone to destroy marriages and lives with fornication
and adultery.

And besides these and other freedoms to steal, cheat, extort etc in
the name of "interest" and "profit" we have the famous freedom of
speech and expression, boasted and "courageously" defended recently
throughout Europe. So what is this "great" concept of freedom of
expression?

Strange - upon examination we find that it is nothing more than an
excuse to lie, cheat, slander, backbite, swear, insult, mock and even
defame all people in the name of this grand privilege to speak your
mind. No, there is no room in Islam for this kind of evil concept,
there is no freedom to lie, no freedom to slander, no freedom to
swear, no freedom to insult any prophet and the prophet (saw) said,
"whoever insults a prophet, kill him."

So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than
an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think
that Britain would be much better if the people were honest,
trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander
each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers
like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands
and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under
the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.

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Source: "Al Ghurabaa"
http://www.alghurabaa.co.uk/articles/freedom.htm


Cheers, Steve..

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On (08 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to All...

So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than
an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think
that Britain would be much better if the people were honest,
trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander
each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands
and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under
the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.

This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in every
Muslim country, right?

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 09 Jun 2006

On (08 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to All...

So we find that the freedom that people worship is nothing more than
an excuse to follow desires and corrupt societies, do you not think
that Britain would be much better if the people were honest,
trustworthy, decent people who did not swear, nor lie, nor slander
each other, if they were not drunken rapists, criminals and adulterers like today but instead were sober and faithful HETERESEXUAL husbands
and wives? Verily Britain will be so much better when governed under
the Islamic rules in the coming days inshaa Allah.

This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in
every Muslim country, right?

It could never happen - if (hypothetically) everyone became a Muslim
and lived in an Islamic Caliphate, there would be noone left to victimise
and marginalise them, and subject them to Zionist / Crusader / Infidel persecution. They would have run out of excuses for their atrocities,
rapes and murders, jihads, "martyrdom operations" etc etc.

I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the Muslims
"on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

Cheers, Steve..

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On (11 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...

This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in every Muslim country, right?

It could never happen - if (hypothetically) everyone became a Muslim
and lived in an Islamic Caliphate, there would be noone left to
victimise
and marginalise them, and subject them to Zionist / Crusader / Infidel persecution. They would have run out of excuses for their atrocities, rapes and murders, jihads, "martyrdom operations" etc etc.

Thus my sarcasm above -- of course, the Quran itself states the goal is
an Islamic-only world, so theoretically achieving that would stop their bloodlust, but we know human nature is different. . .

I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the Muslims
"on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

'ooks?

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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Mulling over George Pope to Steve Asher 10 Jun 2006

G'day George,

This would be ever so wonderful if everyone was happy and safe in every Muslim country, right?

It could never happen - if (hypothetically) everyone became a Muslim
and lived in an Islamic Caliphate, there would be noone left to
victimise and marginalise them, and subject them to Zionist /
Crusader / Infidel persecution. They would have run out of excuses
for their atrocities, rapes and murders, jihads, "martyrdom
operations" etc etc.

Thus my sarcasm above -- of course, the Quran itself states the
goal is an Islamic-only world, so theoretically achieving that
would stop their bloodlust, but we know human nature is different.

Indeed, and even if they allowed non-Muslims to live as Dhimmis and pay
the Jizya tax, they would turn on each other, as they are doing now in
Iraq etc.

I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the Muslims
"on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

'ooks?

Hooks ... the "h" is silent.

Cheers, Steve..

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* Origin: Xaragmata / Adelaide SA telnet://xaragmata.thebbs.org (3:800/432)

On (13 Jun 06) Steve Asher wrote to George Pope...

I think Britain will be so much better off when it tells the

Muslims

"on your bikes, sunshines"; "sling yer 'ooks" etc.

'ooks?

Hooks ... the "h" is silent.

What are ooks? & i lsn't the h only silent in some regions?



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