How tagging passengers could improve airport security

Alok Jha, science correspondent
Friday October 13, 2006
The Guardian

Air travellers could soon be electronically tagged inside airports
in a bid to improve security. The technology would use wrist bands
or boarding passes embedded with computer chips and allow authorities
to track passenger movement around terminal buildings.

Paul Brennan, an electronic engineer at University College London who
is leading work on the EU-funded Optag system, said it would combine
high resolution panoramic video imaging with radio frequency
identification (RFID) tags to enhance airport security, safety and
efficiency. "It would work if each passenger were issued with a tag,
which could allow location to about one metre accuracy," he said. "The
video and tag data can be merged to give a very powerful surveillance capability."

RFID tags work by emitting a short radio message when interrogated by
an electronic tag reader. Dr Brennan said that Optag RFID chips would
not store any personal details.

"They emit a unique ID which is then cross-referenced to the passenger information already on the system - maybe the name and flight number
of the passenger. Perhaps in the future that would be extended to
things like biometric data." The tags would be linked to a network of
CCTV cameras, which could be used to monitor movement of people around
terminal buildings.

[...]

Full article at "Guardian Unlimited" http://travel.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1921420,00.html

OpTag Consortium: http://www.optag-consortium.com

Cheers, Steve...

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On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 02:15:18 +0000, "Steve Asher"
<steve.asher@3:800/432> wrote:

How tagging passengers could improve airport security

Alok Jha, science correspondent
Friday October 13, 2006
The Guardian

Air travellers could soon be electronically tagged inside airports
in a bid to improve security. The technology would use wrist bands
or boarding passes embedded with computer chips and allow authorities
to track passenger movement around terminal buildings.

My thoughts are, this has nothing to do with the need for tighter
security. It is a means to get people used to unlawful searches and
tracking. It's all part of conditioning for the new S.S. in America.

Cheers, Steve...

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Mulling over Joe Bruchis to Steve Asher 13 Oct 2006

How tagging passengers could improve airport security

Alok Jha, science correspondent
Friday October 13, 2006
The Guardian

Air travellers could soon be electronically tagged inside airports
in a bid to improve security. The technology would use wrist bands
or boarding passes embedded with computer chips and allow authorities
to track passenger movement around terminal buildings.

My thoughts are, this has nothing to do with the need for tighter security. It is a means to get people used to unlawful searches
and tracking. It's all part of conditioning for the new S.S. in
America.

You are largely correct, but it is a bit bigger than the rebirth of
Nazism. It is the emergence of a system where all buying and selling,
and many activities of everyday life - flying, entering buildings,
catching a train, getting a licence, opening a bank account, running
or accessing an internet account - etc, are all based upon having a
suitable token / credential / mark; ultimately in the right hand or
forehead.

Cheers, Steve..

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On (14 Oct 06) Steve Asher wrote to All...

RFID tags work by emitting a short radio message when interrogated by
an electronic tag reader. Dr Brennan said that Optag RFID chips would
not store any personal details.

"They emit a unique ID which is then cross-referenced to the passenger information already on the system - maybe the name and flight number
of the passenger. Perhaps in the future that would be extended to
things like biometric data." The tags would be linked to a network of
CCTV cameras, which could be used to monitor movement of people around terminal buildings.

This seems to be more ANTI-conspiracy than "conspiracy" related, don't
you think?

I like the idea, myself!

Especially as it's being only used on private property (airports)

Because I care,
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On (13 Oct 06) Joe Bruchis wrote to Steve Asher...

Air travellers could soon be electronically tagged inside airports
in a bid to improve security. The technology would use wrist bands
or boarding passes embedded with computer chips and allow authorities

to track passenger movement around terminal buildings.

My thoughts are, this has nothing to do with the need for tighter security. It is a means to get people used to unlawful searches and tracking. It's all part of conditioning for the new S.S. in America.

How so?

1) it's not America (last I checked, Europe is still separate)

2) Where's the unlawful part?

Because I care,
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Replying to a message of George Pope to Joe Bruchis:

On (13 Oct 06) Joe Bruchis wrote to Steve Asher...

Air travellers could soon be electronically tagged inside airports in
a bid to improve security. The technology would use wrist bands or
boarding passes embedded with computer chips and allow authorities

to track passenger movement around terminal buildings.

My thoughts are, this has nothing to do with the need for tighter
security. It is a means to get people used to unlawful searches
and tracking. It's all part of conditioning for the new S.S. in
America.

How so?

1) it's not America (last I checked, Europe is still separate)

2) Where's the unlawful part?

The Constitution basically requires a warrant before government can search anybody - a requirement that's been eroding for decades, more rapidly lately. If people are RFID tagged at birth - something the government would very much like - they can be tracked all the way through their lives into their coffins. There's really no difference between requiring people to have RFID tags embedded
in their bodies and tattooing a number on the inside of their left forearm, and the fact that the RFID can be read from a distance doesn't alter the fact that doing
so is no different from stopping someone on the street and demanding "Papers, please."

--- FleetStreet 1.19+
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On (17 Oct 06) Bob Ackley wrote to George Pope...

2) Where's the unlawful part?

The Constitution basically requires a warrant before government can
search
anybody - a requirement that's been eroding for decades, more rapidly lately.
If people are RFID tagged at birth - something the government would
very much
like - they can be tracked all the way through their lives into their coffins.
There's really no difference between requiring people to have RFID
tags embedded
in their bodies and tattooing a number on the inside of their left forearm, and
the fact that the RFID can be read from a distance doesn't alter the
fact that doing
so is no different from stopping someone on the street and demanding "Papers, please."

Yes, this is a fair argument against the GOVERNMENT requiring, by law,
one to have an RFID tag, but how does it speak for or against the use of
RFIDs on private property by the owners, seeking to protect themselves &
their property from known threats?

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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Hello George,

2) Where's the unlawful part?

The Constitution basically requires a warrant before government can >BA>search anybody - a requirement that's been eroding for decades, more >BA>rapidly lately. If people are RFID tagged at birth - something the >BA>government would very much like - they can be tracked all the way >BA>through their lives into their coffins. There's really no difference >BA>between requiring people to have RFID tags embedded in their bodies
and tattooing a number on the inside of their left forearm, and the >BA>fact that the RFID can be read from a distance doesn't alter the
fact that doing so is no different from stopping someone on the
street and demanding "Papers, please."

Yes, this is a fair argument against the GOVERNMENT requiring, by law, GP>one to have an RFID tag, but how does it speak for or against the use of GP>RFIDs on private property by the owners, seeking to protect themselves & GP>their property from known threats?

Why would people want to voluntarily implant themselves with RFID tags?
It might make sense to have a pet implanted, so that if a pet is lost
it can be returned to the owner. But people are not pets. And people
have no owners.

Here is one scenario where RFID tags can be used for evil purposes -

Consider if it were made mandatory by government for everybody to have
such tags. In order to buy and to sell, one would have to have an RFID
tag. Otherwise, no buying or selling. And that would mean starvation
and death. Of course, someone who did not have such an implant could
always chop off the hand of somebody who had such an RFID tag and use
the hand to buy or to sell.

However, the use of RFID tags would be on a much more limited basis.
Rather than have everybody be tagged, only those with proper security clearances would be tagged. Those who needed food and water would
have to get it from their RFID'd masters. In that way, an entire
population can be controlled...

--Lee


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My thoughts are, this has nothing to do with the need for tighter security. It is a means to get people used to unlawful searches
and tracking. It's all part of conditioning for the new S.S. in
America.

You are largely correct, but it is a bit bigger than the rebirth of Nazism. It is the emergence of a system where all buying and selling,
and many activities of everyday life - flying, entering buildings, catching a train, getting a licence, opening a bank account, running
or accessing an internet account - etc, are all based upon having a suitable token / credential / mark; ultimately in the right hand or forehead.

I agree with your projection of having the RFID chip implanted under the skin. However, that will allow the Police and other agencies to track you anywhere, not just around the airport. The sad part is, kids today think it's cool to have a chip implanted under their skin. As long as it is marketed that way, it won't be a problem to get the young generation to get chipped.

You know, there aren't many of us that are educated enough to know what we both
said will happen soon. Those that refuse to wake up and take a good look around
will go right along with chipping, the new American Union, etc.,without a blink
of the eye.

I like the analogy of the frog in the pot of hot water. One slowly turns up the
heat until over a long period of time, it finally boils and kills the frog. The frog doesn't notice because it happens so gradually.

The same is happening to Americans. First Patriot Act I, then repealed to add more restrictions, then Patriot Act II, etc. The acts are named so the populace gets the impression that they are for our good. What could be better than a "Patriot" Act? Obviously, by the name it deals with Patriotism.

My favorite is "No Child Left Behind". Well that has to be good because it is an Act to ensure all children receive a satisfactory education. WRONG! Scholastic Achievment is at an all time low. The act allows the military to set-up and recruit on high school campuses and also allows the military to have
access to all personal information in the school.

My point is, those asleep need to wakeup. As you can see if you are not awake,
you won't see the truth hiding in plain site.

Well, I better get on to less important things (like work)!

Regards and best wishes for a free world.

--- Joe

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"They emit a unique ID which is then cross-
referenced to the passenger
information already on the system - maybe the name and flight number
of the passenger. Perhaps in the future that would be extended to
things like biometric data." The tags would be
linked to a network of
CCTV cameras, which could be used to monitor
movement of people around
terminal buildings.

This seems to be more ANTI-conspiracy than "conspiracy" related, don't
you think?
I like the idea, myself!
Especially as it's being only used on private property (airports)
Because I care,

I don't think it's an ANTI-conspiracy. Even though as you said, it's on private property, the NSA is still the collector of the information. The more information they have about you, the less liberty and freedom you will have. Always remeber Security does not equal more freedom. It will always equal LESS
freedom.

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On (18 Oct 06) LEE LOFASO wrote to GEORGE POPE...

Yes, this is a fair argument against the GOVERNMENT requiring, by

law,

one to have an RFID tag, but how does it speak for or against the

use of

RFIDs on private property by the owners, seeking to protect

themselves &

their property from known threats?

Why would people want to voluntarily implant themselves with RFID
tags?
It might make sense to have a pet implanted, so that if a pet is lost
it can be returned to the owner. But people are not pets. And people have no owners.

Nobody was talking about implanting people, but about people having to
carry an RFID-tagged card or something when in an airport. . .

Here is one scenario where RFID tags can be used for evil purposes -

Consider if it were made mandatory by government for everybody to have such tags. In order to buy and to sell, one would have to have an
RFID
tag. Otherwise, no buying or selling. And that would mean starvation
and death. Of course, someone who did not have such an implant could always chop off the hand of somebody who had such an RFID tag and use
the hand to buy or to sell.

Kind of a stretch, don't you think?
Do you suppose the government, with the widespread forewarning from Revelations, could get away with requiring such without being marked as
"the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every religious whacko &
some?

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))

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Where do you get the NSA has anything to do with the airports tagging
your luggage with non-data-containing RFIDs?

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


On (18 Oct 06) Joe Bruchis wrote to George Pope...

"They emit a unique ID which is then cross-
referenced to the passenger
information already on the system - maybe the name and flight

number

of the passenger. Perhaps in the future that would be extended to things like biometric data." The tags would be
linked to a network of
CCTV cameras, which could be used to monitor
movement of people around
terminal buildings.

This seems to be more ANTI-conspiracy than "conspiracy" related,

don't

you think?
I like the idea, myself!
Especially as it's being only used on private property (airports) Because I care,

I don't think it's an ANTI-conspiracy. Even though as you said, it's
on private property, the NSA is still the collector of the
information. The more information they have about you, the less
liberty and freedom you will have. Always remeber Security does not
equal more freedom. It will always equal LESS freedom.

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This seems to be more ANTI-conspiracy than "conspiracy" related, don't you think?
I like the idea, myself!
Especially as it's being only used on private property (airports)

I don't think it's an ANTI-conspiracy. Even though as you said, it's on pr es not equal more freedom. It will always equal LESS freedom.

What about freedom to protect themselves for the airport owners?

Because I care,
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Re: RFID-tagging Passengers
By: George Pope to Joe Bruchis on Thu Oct 19 2006 01:26 pm

This seems to be more ANTI-conspiracy than "conspiracy" related, do you think?
I like the idea, myself!
Especially as it's being only used on private property (airports)

I don't think it's an ANTI-conspiracy. Even though as you said, it's on es not equal more freedom. It will always equal LESS freedom.

What about freedom to protect themselves for the airport owners?

Well, it's difficult to answer since you broke my quotes up. What I was saying is the NSA is still getting access to all of your personal info to add to their database.

What did the airport owners do before 9-11? If I get on a Southwest flight from New Orleans to Houston, should I fear of hijacking? Any heavy security should be in International flight areas only, if it's necessary at all.

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Well, it's difficult to answer since you broke my quotes up. What I was saying is the NSA is still getting access to all of your personal info to
add to their database.

"It's easy to grin when your ship comes in,
and you've got the Stock Market beat.
But the man worthwhile is the man who can smile,
when his shorts are too tight in the seat."

The NSA is gonna be shocked when they get around to me. (-:

What did the airport owners do before 9-11? If I get on a Southwest
flight from New Orleans to Houston, should I fear of hijacking? Any heavy security should be in International flight areas only, if it's necessary
at all.

Opinions vary. (-:


Regards,

Roger

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On (20 Oct 06) Joe Bruchis wrote to George Pope...

What about freedom to protect themselves for the airport owners?

Well, it's difficult to answer since you broke my quotes up. What I
was saying
is the NSA is still getting access to all of your personal info to add
to their
database.

Why do you believe the NSA has access to anything the airports are doing
on their own choice?

What did the airport owners do before 9-11? If I get on a Southwest
flight from
New Orleans to Houston, should I fear of hijacking? Any heavy security should
be in International flight areas only, if it's necessary at all.

Wasn't it a bunch of domestic flights that were hijacked on 9/11?

The real terrorist organizations are already well at work on new plans
of attack, what you need to worry about is two-bit copy cat assholes opportunistically taking advantage of momentary lapses in security
anywhere!

Because I care,
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Replying to a message of George Pope to Bob Ackley:

On (17 Oct 06) Bob Ackley wrote to George Pope...

2) Where's the unlawful part?

The Constitution basically requires a warrant before government can
search anybody - a requirement that's been eroding for decades, more
rapidly lately. If people are RFID tagged at birth - something the
government would very much like - they can be tracked all the way
through their lives into their coffins. There's really no difference
between requiring people to have RFID tags embedded in their bodies
and tattooing a number on the inside of their left forearm, and the
fact that the RFID can be read from a distance doesn't alter the
fact that doing so is no different from stopping someone on the
street and demanding "Papers, please."

Yes, this is a fair argument against the GOVERNMENT requiring, by law,
one to have an RFID tag, but how does it speak for or against the use
of RFIDs on private property by the owners, seeking to protect
themselves & their property from known threats?

AFAIC they can do whatever they want on their own property. But people have the CHOICE to not work for them or not patronize their businesses. And are able
to have the chips removed when employment ends and the business transactions end.

The only problem is that once/if it becomes a widespread practice, the government
will adopt it - there's nothing to stop the government from reading private companies'
RFID chips.

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Replying to a message of George Pope to LEE LOFASO:

On (18 Oct 06) LEE LOFASO wrote to GEORGE POPE...

Yes, this is a fair argument against the GOVERNMENT requiring, by

law,

one to have an RFID tag, but how does it speak for or against the

use of

RFIDs on private property by the owners, seeking to protect

themselves &

their property from known threats?

Why would people want to voluntarily implant themselves with RFID
tags? It might make sense to have a pet implanted, so that if a pet
is lost it can be returned to the owner. But people are not pets.
And people have no owners.

Nobody was talking about implanting people, but about people having to carry an RFID-tagged card or something when in an airport. . .

Here is one scenario where RFID tags can be used for evil purposes -
Consider if it were made mandatory by government for everybody to
have such tags. In order to buy and to sell, one would have to have
an RFID tag. Otherwise, no buying or selling. And that would mean
starvation and death. Of course, someone who did not have such an
implant could always chop off the hand of somebody who had such an
RFID tag and use the hand to buy or to sell.

Kind of a stretch, don't you think?

Not really. The government in this country already wants to do away with currency and get everyone to switch to electronic transactions. Currency transactions are anonymous and electronic transactions aren't. And that's why. Implanted RFID chips would facilitate electronic transactions. Including tracking of a person's location and of what a person purchases.

Do you suppose the government, with the widespread forewarning from Revelations, could get away with requiring such without being marked
as "the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every religious
whacko & some?

Yes.

--- FleetStreet 1.19+
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On (21 Oct 06) Bob Ackley wrote to George Pope...

Yes, this is a fair argument against the GOVERNMENT requiring, by

law,

one to have an RFID tag, but how does it speak for or against the

use

of RFIDs on private property by the owners, seeking to protect themselves & their property from known threats?

AFAIC they can do whatever they want on their own property. But
people have
the CHOICE to not work for them or not patronize their businesses.
And are able
to have the chips removed when employment ends and the business transactions end.

The only problem is that once/if it becomes a widespread practice, the government
will adopt it - there's nothing to stop the government from reading private companies'
RFID chips.

The context of the thread was "conspiracy" -- I'm not seeing any.

Yes, there is something stopping the government from reading the chips
in the thread's original story -- they're not information-containing
chips.

Because I care,
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On (21 Oct 06) Bob Ackley wrote to George Pope...

Not really. The government in this country already wants to do away
with
currency and get everyone to switch to electronic transactions.
Currency
transactions are anonymous and electronic transactions aren't. And
that's why.
Implanted RFID chips would facilitate electronic transactions.
Including
tracking of a person's location and of what a person purchases.

Do you suppose the government, with the widespread forewarning

from

Revelations, could get away with requiring such without being

marked

as "the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every

religious

whacko & some?

Yes.

How so?

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 13:25:37 +0000, "George Pope"
<george.pope@1:153/715.1275> wrote:

On (20 Oct 06) Joe Bruchis wrote to George Pope...

Why do you believe the NSA has access to anything the airports are doing
on their own choice?

The NSA collects data from the TSA and many other Agecies.

What did the airport owners do before 9-11? If I get on a Southwest flight from
New Orleans to Houston, should I fear of hijacking? Any heavy security should
be in International flight areas only, if it's necessary at all.

Wasn't it a bunch of domestic flights that were hijacked on 9/11?

Please watch these free documentaries before discussing 9/11 with me

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5004704309041471296&q=9%2F11+truth+conference&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7218920724339766288&q=loose+change+2&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=terrorstorm+high+quality&hl=en

These should be enough to make you understand that 9/11 was a fraud, perpertrated by thugs in our Government (not necesseraily GWB). It
will also prove the London bombings and virtually all terror atacks on
our country were a fraud. The attacks were concducted to atract the
U.S.'s and Britains' populations support for the war on terror.

Stop watching FOX news...it's TOTAL propaganda

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 09:10:04 +0000, "George Pope"
<george.pope@1:153/715.1275> wrote:

On (21 Oct 06) Bob Ackley wrote to George Pope...

Not really. The government in this country already wants to do away
with
currency and get everyone to switch to electronic transactions.
Currency
transactions are anonymous and electronic transactions aren't. And that's why.
Implanted RFID chips would facilitate electronic transactions.
Including
tracking of a person's location and of what a person purchases.

You are correct. The Gov't will probably begin with the National ID
Card, which will be loaded with credits from your income sources, and
debited with a swipe whenever you buy something. It actually is much
easier than using money, but as you mentioned, everything you earn and
buy is recorded in a National ID (Government) database. How will one
buy and sell drugs if there's no cash? The black maketeers will have
to start a barter system with gold or some other valuables and go back
to trading items of value with each other. That was how the first
monetary system started anyway.

In summary, we don't need paper money, as it's worthless. All it is,
is a note payable owed to the Federal Reserve by the Government.

Since the Gov't is running at more than a 4 trillion dollar deficit,
the notes will never be repaid, anyway. Debiting and crediting a
national ID card or a chip has the same value as exchanging worthless
paper.

Do you suppose the government, with the widespread forewarning

from

Revelations, could get away with requiring such without being

marked

as "the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every

religious

whacko & some?

Some believe this has to do with the "mark of the beast", but I
believe the Bible in the same manner I believe the Gov't. (-:

On (22 Oct 06) Joe Bruchis wrote to George Pope...

Do you suppose the government, with the widespread

forewarning

from

Revelations, could get away with requiring such without

being

marked

as "the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every

religious

whacko & some?

Some believe this has to do with the "mark of the beast", but I
believe the Bible in the same manner I believe the Gov't. (-:

My point is that if the government brought in a chip like that, which
you NEEDED for buying & selling, that there'd be enough whackos to
interpret it as the mark of the beast & whoever is in power being "the
beast" and worthy only of death ASAP.

Because I care,
|<+]::-) (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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Here is one scenario where RFID tags can be used for evil purposes -
Consider if it were made mandatory by government for everybody to
have such tags. In order to buy and to sell, one would have to have
an RFID tag. Otherwise, no buying or selling. And that would mean
starvation and death. Of course, someone who did not have such an
implant could always chop off the hand of somebody who had such an
RFID tag and use the hand to buy or to sell.

Kind of a stretch, don't you think?

Not really. The government in this country already wants to do away with currency and get everyone to switch to electronic transactions. Currency transactions are anonymous and electronic transactions aren't. And that's Implanted RFID chips would facilitate electronic transactions. Including tracking of a person's location and of what a person purchases.

The airport authorities merely want to have passengers(especially international) wear a bracelet -- how does that fit into your fear scenario above?

Do you suppose the government, with the widespread forewarning from Revelations, could get away with requiring such without being marked as "the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every religious whacko & some?

Yes.

How so?
The people are clearly aware of such forewarning, and religious superstition/hysteria reigns supreme. . .


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Replying to a message of George Pope to Bob Ackley:

Here is one scenario where RFID tags can be used for evil purposes
- Consider if it were made mandatory by government for everybody
to have such tags. In order to buy and to sell, one would have to
have an RFID tag. Otherwise, no buying or selling. And that
would mean starvation and death. Of course, someone who did not
have such an implant could always chop off the hand of somebody
who had such an RFID tag and use the hand to buy or to sell.

Kind of a stretch, don't you think?

Not really. The government in this country already wants to do away
with currency and get everyone to switch to electronic transactions.
Currency transactions are anonymous and electronic transactions
aren't. And that's Implanted RFID chips would facilitate electronic
transactions. Including tracking of a person's location and of what
a person purchases.

The airport authorities merely want to have passengers(especially international) wear a bracelet -- how does that fit into your fear scenario above?

Camel's nose in the tent. It's not a long step from using a voluntary bracelet system (or voluntary ID card system) to a mandatory RFID chip system. Once people are conditioned to either of the former, acceptance of the latter becomes
much easier.

Do you suppose the government, with the widespread forewarning from
Revelations, could get away with requiring such without being
marked as "the Beast" and hunted unmercifully to death by every
religious whacko & some?

Yes.

How so?
The people are clearly aware of such forewarning, and religious superstition/hysteria reigns supreme. . .

"National Security" demands it.

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