Quoting Roger Nelson to Peter Coggon <=-

I still like Israel's getting into Fo ...title, but then
only to blunt the reality of this hell that has been going
on for long enough.

I don't think war in the Fertile Crescent will ever end as long as men live there.

How very true ....

You should read some of my mail. (-:

Well I am reading it now...

Getting back to Israel and the middle east as a region, and it's
problems.

Can you imagine, the economic clout they would have, in tourism
if they ever could agree, just to put the religious bickerings
aside? Last night, a friend of mine gave me a video from the
region, and explained just how dumb it all is, and how each
religion is clinging to this and that, not moving or giving
for the common good, and all their religious believes.

There is even a ladder or remains against a wall that is in
dispute, as celery fist fight over who can do what where ..etc.
Apparently the ladder dates from late 1800s.

Then I see celergy fist fighting over this or what which just
seems so stupid ....but so hot is the dispute and control.

No Peace .... never, and anyone living there, might as well
get use to it, and if they want peace.....eliminate the other
guy. Might as well. Bad to say, but it is just so tightly
jaggered for even a border let alone anything else, they might
as well decide it all by killing until only one group is left.

So much for religion and a deity that is suppose to practice
and encourage peace.

regards ....

Peter




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Hello Peter,

I still like Israel's getting into Fo ...title, but then
only to blunt the reality of this hell that has been going
on for long enough.

I don't think war in the Fertile Crescent will ever end as long as men >RN>live there.

How very true ....

Back in the Dark Ages, the Fertile Crescent was not so dark...

You should read some of my mail. (-:

Well I am reading it now...

Uh-oh...

Getting back to Israel and the middle east as a region, and it's PC>problems.

What problems?

Can you imagine, the economic clout they would have, in tourism
if they ever could agree, just to put the religious bickerings
aside? Last night, a friend of mine gave me a video from the
region, and explained just how dumb it all is, and how each
religion is clinging to this and that, not moving or giving
for the common good, and all their religious believes.

Jews, Muslims and Christians have gotten along with each other for
centuries in Palestine, up until recent times. The real issue today
is not religion, but land. The Jews want not just what had been
granted to them by the United Nations in 1947, and not all of Palestine,
but all of the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the
Tigris-Euphrates in Iraq.

There is even a ladder or remains against a wall that is in
dispute, as celery fist fight over who can do what where ..etc. PC>Apparently the ladder dates from late 1800s.

Mankind has fought over every nook and cranny on the face of this
earth. Why should fighting over the remains against a wall be any
different?

Then I see celergy fist fighting over this or what which just
seems so stupid ....but so hot is the dispute and control.

Excuses, excuses. The real issue is economic. War is nothing
more than the exchange of real estate with human lives. At least
with negototiation there is little or no loss of human life.

No Peace .... never, and anyone living there, might as well
get use to it, and if they want peace.....eliminate the other
guy. Might as well. Bad to say, but it is just so tightly
jaggered for even a border let alone anything else, they might
as well decide it all by killing until only one group is left.

Maybe both sides will off each other and leave the Christians
in charge.

So much for religion and a deity that is suppose to practice
and encourage peace.

Long live the Goddess!

--Lee


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Lee Lofaso wrote in a message to Peter Coggon:

Excuses, excuses. The real issue is economic. War is nothing more
than the exchange of real estate with human lives. At least with negototiation there is little or no loss of human life.

War is made by instigation using false flag attacks. These attacks are planned by the controlling wealthy elite that make and sell weapons, jets, ships and land going war craft. It's all about the elite making more money.
As is this phoney bailout crap.


Regards,

Joe
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I don't think war in the Fertile Crescent will ever end as long as men PC>RN> live there.

How very true ....

It's really very sad. My youngest son was in the Marine Corps and was sent to Beirut right after those 253 Marines were killed by a truck bomb. His unit was
to relieve those already there and those who were killed didn't come home in a way they expected. During the skirmishes which ensued, I almost lost my son in
a mortar attack.

You should read some of my mail. (-:

Well I am reading it now...

Nah, I'm referring to the old stuff. It's really spicy, but I wouldn't put it on food or eat while reading. (-:

Getting back to Israel and the middle east as a region, and it's
problems.

Can you imagine, the economic clout they would have, in tourism
if they ever could agree, just to put the religious bickerings
aside? Last night, a friend of mine gave me a video from the
region, and explained just how dumb it all is, and how each
religion is clinging to this and that, not moving or giving
for the common good, and all their religious believes.

Well, yeah, I can imagine it. I've seen photos my son took while there and he told me that whole area is very beautiful. But those stoneheads will never get
over their religious anger long enough to realize they're sitting on a gold mine. It's the older ones who constantly teach the younger ones to hate that I
have the biggest problem with.

There is even a ladder or remains against a wall that is in
dispute, as celery fist fight over who can do what where ..etc.
Apparently the ladder dates from late 1800s.

Maybe even earlier than that.

Then I see celergy fist fighting over this or what which just
seems so stupid ....but so hot is the dispute and control.

To our way of life it is stupid. What they fail to realize is even if they were to eradicate the people they hate the most (the Israelis) and have that whole territory for themselves, then what's next?

No Peace .... never, and anyone living there, might as well
get use to it, and if they want peace.....eliminate the other
guy. Might as well. Bad to say, but it is just so tightly
jaggered for even a border let alone anything else, they might
as well decide it all by killing until only one group is left.

It's an out and out waste of time and men and the elderly irresponsibles are directly responsible because that hate has been handed down for generations.

So much for religion and a deity that is suppose to practice
and encourage peace.

Peace on THEIR terms.


Regards,

Roger

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Replying to a message of PETER COGGON to ROGER NELSON:

I still like Israel's getting into Fo ...title, but then
only to blunt the reality of this hell that has been going
on for long enough.

I don't think war in the Fertile Crescent will ever end as long as
men live there.

How very true ....

You should read some of my mail. (-:

Well I am reading it now...

Getting back to Israel and the middle east as a region, and it's
problems.

Can you imagine, the economic clout they would have, in tourism
if they ever could agree, just to put the religious bickerings
aside? Last night, a friend of mine gave me a video from the
region, and explained just how dumb it all is, and how each
religion is clinging to this and that, not moving or giving
for the common good, and all their religious believes.

There is even a ladder or remains against a wall that is in
dispute, as celery fist fight over who can do what where ..etc.
Apparently the ladder dates from late 1800s.

Then I see celergy fist fighting over this or what which just
seems so stupid ....but so hot is the dispute and control.

No Peace .... never, and anyone living there, might as well
get use to it, and if they want peace.....eliminate the other
guy. Might as well. Bad to say, but it is just so tightly
jaggered for even a border let alone anything else, they might
as well decide it all by killing until only one group is left.

So much for religion and a deity that is suppose to practice
and encourage peace.

It's not just the Jews and Palestinians fighting there. I've read that the various
Christian sects that have custody of at least one of the religious shrines in the
area often if not regularly come to blows over some real or imagined problem.

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Hello Roger.,

Quoting Roger Nelson to Peter Coggon <=-

It's really very sad. My youngest son was in the Marine Corps and was sent to Beirut right after those 253 Marines were killed by a truck
bomb. His unit was to relieve those already there and those who were killed didn't come home in a way they expected. During the skirmishes which ensued, I almost lost my son in a mortar attack.

That news of a near loss of a love one must have numbed you.

Nah, I'm referring to the old stuff. It's really spicy, but I
wouldn't put it on food or eat while reading. (-:

Oh, then perhaps I should make a special order for the complete works
of Mr. Roger Nelson?

Well, yeah, I can imagine it. I've seen photos my son took while
there and he told me that whole area is very beautiful. But those stoneheads will never get over their religious anger long enough to realize they're sitting on a gold mine. It's the older ones who constantly teach the younger ones to hate that I have the biggest
problem with.

My nephew was there too, and taking taboo photos which I later told
him , if caught he would be shot. Dummie, too yonge to realize
the complexities of the area.

Yes very beautiful.

There is even a ladder or remains against a wall
dispute, as celery fist fight over who can do what where
Apparently the ladder dates from late 1800s.

>

Maybe even earlier than that.

Yes there are examples, I saw in the photos, and also the too too
many divisions of christain infighting with others that are
either Christain or otherwise.

To our way of life it is stupid. What they fail to realize is even if they were to eradicate the people they hate the most (the Israelis) and have that whole territory for themselves, then what's next?

This is an area, which is so innvolved in dispute over this or that
Christians against others, or Israeli vs Israeli or Arab and so forth ......eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrr! Too big. Boggles the mind :)

It's an out and out waste of time and men and the elderly
irresponsibles are directly responsible because that hate has been
handed down for generations.

Yes, they still very much remember some invaders from 1000AD
like it was yesterday, and this , as you say is all handed down
from the elders to the children.

I don't mind them remembering, and ok..so nasty deeds were done
but this is today, and we are all supposed to be a bit more
enlightened..or so I thought.

Peace on THEIR terms.

Regards,

Roger

Roger, I would go with Peace on their terms, as it is and shall be
but I would also for the price on their terms ask that concessions
be made on many outstanding issues old and new, and I know there
must be give and take.

I have an invite from an Arab family to visit the Middle East
and it was funny how this came about, as I a western took the
time to greet the husband on a festival the correct way, as
well when he was injured at work I took it upon myself to make
sure he was cared for and his family were informed and
transported .....thus I hope to see from the other side
and ....ok ...maybe dangerous thing to do.

Have a great week

Peter




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Hello Bob...

Quoting Bob Ackley to Peter Coggon <=-

It's not just the Jews and Palestinians fighting there.
I've read that the various Christian sects that have
custody of at least one of the religious shrines in the
area often if not regularly come to blows over some real
or imagined problem.

Yes Bob...thats what I was posting about...i.e. that ladder.

As you say, simple issue about this ladder , has it there
so long, as the Christian sects fight over this and that
even Bishop against Bishop in fist fights, and they have
the nerve to lecture on church doctrine.

Very beautiful country, steeped in history, religious and
otherwise, a real mecca for the future touruist dollar
but for their problems, and as someone else coined it
going back over generations, and handed down to son
or others of the next genration to continue.

Nope even within the Jews or Israelis there are sects
as with the Palestines and this is on going, and is
going to continue, unless something neutral puts a
cap on it for a few hundred years.

I'd love the job of being that cap...so to speak
but I doubt I will live that long.

thanks for the post ....

Peter




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That news of a near loss of a love one must have numbed you.

It was a fleeting feeling because my son didn't tell me about it until he arrived back home. He got here about the same time his letter about the events
in Granada and Beirut arrived. I had written a letter to President Reagan at the time (early Eighties) and he took the time to write back. My son asked if he could keep that letter, so I let him have it.

Oh, then perhaps I should make a special order for the complete works
of Mr. Roger Nelson?

Only if you want to be bored to tears. (-:

My nephew was there too, and taking taboo photos which I later told
him , if caught he would be shot. Dummie, too yonge to realize
the complexities of the area.

We were immortal when young, which is how that old adage came into being about youth being wasted on the young.

Yes very beautiful.

Beautiful, but deadly.

Yes there are examples, I saw in the photos, and also the too too
many divisions of christain infighting with others that are
either Christain or otherwise.

Sort of reminds me of the Catholics and christians in Ireland. One side is repulsed by the other.

This is an area, which is so innvolved in dispute over this or that Christians against others, or Israeli vs Israeli or Arab and so forth ......eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrr! Too big. Boggles the mind :)

Yes, it does. Next they'll be arguing over a grain of sand.

Yes, they still very much remember some invaders from 1000AD
like it was yesterday, and this , as you say is all handed down
from the elders to the children.

A pity that hate has blinded them to freedom.

I don't mind them remembering, and ok..so nasty deeds were done
but this is today, and we are all supposed to be a bit more
enlightened..or so I thought.

That's what any free, thinking man thinks.

Roger, I would go with Peace on their terms, as it is and shall be
but I would also for the price on their terms ask that concessions
be made on many outstanding issues old and new, and I know there
must be give and take.

In the end you can't because it's wrong.

I have an invite from an Arab family to visit the Middle East
and it was funny how this came about, as I a western took the
time to greet the husband on a festival the correct way, as
well when he was injured at work I took it upon myself to make
sure he was cared for and his family were informed and
transported .....thus I hope to see from the other side
and ....ok ...maybe dangerous thing to do.

So, are you going?

Have a great week

You too.


Regards,

Roger

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Hello Roger.,

Quoting Roger Nelson to Peter Coggon <=-

It was a fleeting feeling because my son didn't tell me about it until
he arrived back home. He got here about the same time his letter about the events in Granada and Beirut arrived.

In my case, I arrived at the family home in the US of A, only to know
another war or whatever had touch me with a trip to the local cemetery
and then what hit me were all the familys that were hurting.

What a feeling.

I had written a letter to
President Reagan at the time (early Eighties) and he took the time to write back. My son asked if he could keep that letter, so I let him
have it.

That is a keeper....oh yeah...if you are a fan of Mr. Reagan.

Oh, then perhaps I should make a special order for the complete works
of Mr. Roger Nelson?

Only if you want to be bored to tears. (-:

Its ever that or listen to what I am forced too here.... Who knows
you might have an interesting story to tell, and might not realize it.

My nephew was there too, and taking taboo photos which I later told
him , if caught he would be shot. Dummie, too yonge to realize
the complexities of the area.

We were immortal when young, which is how that old adage came into
being about youth being wasted on the young.

Yes.

Sort of reminds me of the Catholics and christians in Ireland. One
side is repulsed by the other.

Oh yeah the Protestants and Catholics and a marching some date to
remember something that happened 400 years ago. Daft... but finally
it seems all this is coming to an end. We can always hope.

Yes, it does. Next they'll be arguing over a grain of sand.

Ssssh don't give them any ideas.

A pity that hate has blinded them to freedom.

It is a trangled web they spin....

That's what any free, thinking man thinks.

They are free to think, but then they do get these ultra whatevers
and they have their own twist on things.... oh well you know the
drill.

In the end you can't because it's wrong.

Of course it is wrong. One will always find it wrong, and
no matter one of the other will not accept even a start.

So, are you going?

Yes. I have no fears, and I go as always with an open mind
and I know for sure I am going to run into one of these
ultras .... I just feel it.

Getting time for dinner, so to the galley for me to skin
a lake fish and make a dinner...one of the nice things about
living beside a lake.

ttfn

Peter




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In my case, I arrived at the family home in the US of A, only to know another war or whatever had touch me with a trip to the local cemetery
and then what hit me were all the familys that were hurting.

What a feeling.

I can relate to all of that. A local TV station, WWL-TV, had a get-together for all the families of the servicemen who served in Beirut and surrounding areas. Both of my wives were there <G> and it was an interesting evening. I almost talked the arm off of a Marine 2-star general.

That is a keeper....oh yeah...if you are a fan of Mr. Reagan.

I still am.

Its ever that or listen to what I am forced too here.... Who knows
you might have an interesting story to tell, and might not realize it.

Everybody has a story, Peter. How would you classify yours? (-:

[...]

Oh yeah the Protestants and Catholics and a marching some date to
remember something that happened 400 years ago. Daft... but finally
it seems all this is coming to an end. We can always hope.

And hopefully it will remain that way. Some beautiful country there, too.

Ssssh don't give them any ideas.

Just because I thought of it doesn't necessarily mean someone else did not.

[...]

They are free to think, but then they do get these ultra whatevers
and they have their own twist on things.... oh well you know the
drill.

I surely do.

Of course it is wrong. One will always find it wrong, and
no matter one of the other will not accept even a start.

Some have, to their regret.

Yes. I have no fears, and I go as always with an open mind
and I know for sure I am going to run into one of these
ultras .... I just feel it.

But maybe that won't happen.

Getting time for dinner, so to the galley for me to skin
a lake fish and make a dinner...one of the nice things about
living beside a lake.

I live near a big lake and a Gulf, but don't get to fish much. My favorite down here is speckled trout, which may be known in your area as the spotted weakfish.


Regards,

Roger

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